1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,510 [Music] 2 00:00:08,710 --> 00:00:06,789 there's a whole fleet of them look on 3 00:00:10,950 --> 00:00:08,720 the assay 4 00:00:14,310 --> 00:00:10,960 oh my gosh they're all going against the 5 00:00:18,950 --> 00:00:16,390 it was basically a cube with inside of 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:18,960 sphere where the points of the cube 7 00:00:32,990 --> 00:00:22,810 were touching outside of sphere 8 00:00:37,110 --> 00:00:34,540 [Music] 9 00:00:38,709 --> 00:00:37,120 [Applause] 10 00:00:40,950 --> 00:00:38,719 so this isn't anything that just is 11 00:00:46,950 --> 00:00:40,960 limited to the united states it's a 12 00:00:51,670 --> 00:00:49,510 hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo 13 00:00:54,229 --> 00:00:51,680 podcast my name is andy and we have a 14 00:00:56,869 --> 00:00:54,239 breaking news update which is always fun 15 00:00:58,709 --> 00:00:56,879 to do and maybe a little bit unexpected 16 00:01:00,950 --> 00:00:58,719 at this late in the year 17 00:01:02,069 --> 00:01:00,960 dan joining me of course for it dan how 18 00:01:04,229 --> 00:01:02,079 are we 19 00:01:05,830 --> 00:01:04,239 i am i am fantastic this week just keeps 20 00:01:07,429 --> 00:01:05,840 getting better and better doesn't it it 21 00:01:09,429 --> 00:01:07,439 does so that is a nice way to think to 22 00:01:11,030 --> 00:01:09,439 round off the year isn't it and can i 23 00:01:13,030 --> 00:01:11,040 tie things up with the ball if you 24 00:01:15,030 --> 00:01:13,040 haven't seen yet and you're listening to 25 00:01:17,670 --> 00:01:15,040 this and getting your news from us which 26 00:01:20,149 --> 00:01:17,680 so many of you tell us you do um thanks 27 00:01:22,469 --> 00:01:20,159 but the ndaa the national defense 28 00:01:25,590 --> 00:01:22,479 authorization act has been signed by 29 00:01:27,830 --> 00:01:25,600 president joe biden and that in effect 30 00:01:29,830 --> 00:01:27,840 or puts into effect a lot of things 31 00:01:31,590 --> 00:01:29,840 there are tons of amendments and bits 32 00:01:32,870 --> 00:01:31,600 and pieces of info that 33 00:01:34,710 --> 00:01:32,880 if you're especially if you're outside 34 00:01:36,310 --> 00:01:34,720 of the u.s you don't have an interest in 35 00:01:38,230 --> 00:01:36,320 but the one little piece that we were 36 00:01:40,710 --> 00:01:38,240 very very interested in was senator 37 00:01:42,870 --> 00:01:40,720 gillibrand's amendment that are one of 38 00:01:44,550 --> 00:01:42,880 them even then to go into the minutia 39 00:01:46,550 --> 00:01:44,560 one of those amendments of senator 40 00:01:48,389 --> 00:01:46,560 gillibrand uh i've said gillibrand 41 00:01:50,789 --> 00:01:48,399 angela brand already christ i've covered 42 00:01:51,590 --> 00:01:50,799 all bases yeah gillibrand um 43 00:01:54,230 --> 00:01:51,600 was 44 00:01:56,870 --> 00:01:54,240 the ufo office as we're all calling it 45 00:01:58,630 --> 00:01:56,880 and we're finally going to officially 46 00:02:02,389 --> 00:01:58,640 for 2022 47 00:02:04,709 --> 00:02:02,399 have a a ufo office 48 00:02:05,749 --> 00:02:04,719 in the united states government that is 49 00:02:07,990 --> 00:02:05,759 funded 50 00:02:09,990 --> 00:02:08,000 and is going to be reporting and 51 00:02:11,270 --> 00:02:10,000 collecting actually dan what is it going 52 00:02:12,710 --> 00:02:11,280 to be doing because this is something i 53 00:02:15,350 --> 00:02:12,720 see a lot of people 54 00:02:17,670 --> 00:02:15,360 commenting on online do we know yet 55 00:02:19,350 --> 00:02:17,680 officially what it's going to be doing 56 00:02:20,710 --> 00:02:19,360 we know some of what it's going to be 57 00:02:23,670 --> 00:02:20,720 doing there are some things that are up 58 00:02:25,110 --> 00:02:23,680 in the air at the moment um for example 59 00:02:27,990 --> 00:02:25,120 they haven't even named it 60 00:02:30,630 --> 00:02:28,000 um you know we we went through uh astro 61 00:02:33,270 --> 00:02:30,640 atro uh then we got the pentagon 62 00:02:35,270 --> 00:02:33,280 announced aoi msg so 63 00:02:37,509 --> 00:02:35,280 you know it's all in a name um it'll be 64 00:02:39,509 --> 00:02:37,519 curious to see what they call it we'll 65 00:02:41,830 --> 00:02:39,519 we'll have details of personnel involved 66 00:02:45,270 --> 00:02:41,840 to come ahead of us as well um as well 67 00:02:47,990 --> 00:02:45,280 as it does require the head of the the 68 00:02:50,309 --> 00:02:48,000 uap office to come up with a scientific 69 00:02:51,670 --> 00:02:50,319 study plan for the phenomena and that's 70 00:02:53,509 --> 00:02:51,680 where a lot of people are hoping that 71 00:02:54,630 --> 00:02:53,519 some kind of you know committee and 72 00:02:55,589 --> 00:02:54,640 external 73 00:02:57,350 --> 00:02:55,599 uh 74 00:03:00,149 --> 00:02:57,360 people can come in and kind of give a 75 00:03:01,670 --> 00:03:00,159 hand um ay msg we don't know what's 76 00:03:03,990 --> 00:03:01,680 going to happen to that yeah i was going 77 00:03:05,990 --> 00:03:04,000 to ask you that like yeah it's it's up 78 00:03:08,710 --> 00:03:06,000 in the air because it kind of does a lot 79 00:03:12,710 --> 00:03:08,720 of the same stuff um but it's nowhere 80 00:03:13,990 --> 00:03:12,720 near as extensive um you know this one 81 00:03:15,430 --> 00:03:14,000 way i can run through a couple of points 82 00:03:16,309 --> 00:03:15,440 if you yeah go for it 83 00:03:17,030 --> 00:03:16,319 yeah 84 00:03:18,710 --> 00:03:17,040 so 85 00:03:20,790 --> 00:03:18,720 basically this 86 00:03:22,710 --> 00:03:20,800 this bill establishes 87 00:03:24,550 --> 00:03:22,720 for the first time 88 00:03:26,390 --> 00:03:24,560 or rather sorry i should say for the 89 00:03:28,309 --> 00:03:26,400 first time in u.s history congress has 90 00:03:30,229 --> 00:03:28,319 legislated on the uap issue there is now 91 00:03:31,830 --> 00:03:30,239 language with which we can hold people 92 00:03:34,550 --> 00:03:31,840 that we think are keeping secrets about 93 00:03:37,030 --> 00:03:34,560 this to account whether the law does 94 00:03:39,030 --> 00:03:37,040 what it's going to do uh is anyone's 95 00:03:41,589 --> 00:03:39,040 guess but we finally have an actual 96 00:03:43,030 --> 00:03:41,599 factual lever to do something through 97 00:03:45,270 --> 00:03:43,040 and can i just can i just mention on 98 00:03:47,350 --> 00:03:45,280 that dan for anyone and i still have the 99 00:03:49,589 --> 00:03:47,360 conversations with folk online and it's 100 00:03:51,589 --> 00:03:49,599 i love it i love when people interact 101 00:03:53,509 --> 00:03:51,599 good bad and different reason debate 102 00:03:56,869 --> 00:03:53,519 whatever it might be but people who 103 00:03:59,110 --> 00:03:56,879 still say there is no progress and 104 00:04:01,350 --> 00:03:59,120 nothing's happened for years or decades 105 00:04:02,869 --> 00:04:01,360 and i look and go just that one thing 106 00:04:05,750 --> 00:04:02,879 you've said alone 107 00:04:07,670 --> 00:04:05,760 that within you know the congress 108 00:04:09,270 --> 00:04:07,680 they've actually talked about ufos i 109 00:04:11,190 --> 00:04:09,280 know the language of uaps and all that 110 00:04:13,429 --> 00:04:11,200 kind of stuff but they effectively are 111 00:04:15,509 --> 00:04:13,439 discussing stuff in the sky that they 112 00:04:17,509 --> 00:04:15,519 don't know what it is which is what any 113 00:04:20,469 --> 00:04:17,519 of us in this topic have wanted for so 114 00:04:22,150 --> 00:04:20,479 so long so even putting everything else 115 00:04:24,070 --> 00:04:22,160 aside that's happened of which there has 116 00:04:26,310 --> 00:04:24,080 been a ton and and we're going to cover 117 00:04:27,110 --> 00:04:26,320 that in our 2021 highlight show in a few 118 00:04:29,110 --> 00:04:27,120 days 119 00:04:30,870 --> 00:04:29,120 that's huge if nothing else happened 120 00:04:31,830 --> 00:04:30,880 this year and you were told that's going 121 00:04:34,070 --> 00:04:31,840 to happen 122 00:04:35,990 --> 00:04:34,080 it's a win isn't it 123 00:04:37,430 --> 00:04:36,000 yeah 100 people always compare this to 124 00:04:39,510 --> 00:04:37,440 blue book but 125 00:04:41,749 --> 00:04:39,520 the blue blue book was run by the air 126 00:04:43,749 --> 00:04:41,759 force it was you know they were mandated 127 00:04:45,270 --> 00:04:43,759 they were told to 128 00:04:47,430 --> 00:04:45,280 you know fuel the notion of the 129 00:04:48,070 --> 00:04:47,440 phenomena they were never there to study 130 00:04:49,749 --> 00:04:48,080 it 131 00:04:51,510 --> 00:04:49,759 this office is 132 00:04:53,830 --> 00:04:51,520 um it has access to all these little 133 00:04:55,270 --> 00:04:53,840 crevices um all these different areas 134 00:04:57,350 --> 00:04:55,280 all this different instrumentation it 135 00:05:00,629 --> 00:04:57,360 has access to a lot of funding to do the 136 00:05:02,870 --> 00:05:00,639 job with which is very important it's 137 00:05:04,629 --> 00:05:02,880 mandated to report back to a lot of 138 00:05:05,749 --> 00:05:04,639 committees pretty much every committee 139 00:05:08,710 --> 00:05:05,759 is going to be reporting back to the 140 00:05:11,350 --> 00:05:08,720 house to congress finally people are 141 00:05:13,670 --> 00:05:11,360 going to be informed on a regular basis 142 00:05:15,110 --> 00:05:13,680 um just right up front um if anyone's 143 00:05:16,790 --> 00:05:15,120 busy i'll just tell you the dates now 144 00:05:19,510 --> 00:05:16,800 that you're gonna be looking forward to 145 00:05:21,830 --> 00:05:19,520 the first briefing um from this office 146 00:05:23,909 --> 00:05:21,840 will come within 90 days of the bill 147 00:05:27,909 --> 00:05:23,919 being signed so that's today uh that 148 00:05:30,230 --> 00:05:27,919 takes us to march 27th 2022. um by then 149 00:05:33,430 --> 00:05:30,240 we may hear senators and other officials 150 00:05:35,749 --> 00:05:33,440 start talking about this more openly um 151 00:05:37,430 --> 00:05:35,759 i imagine by then we'll have you you 152 00:05:39,029 --> 00:05:37,440 know all the computers will be set up in 153 00:05:40,550 --> 00:05:39,039 the office we'll know who's working 154 00:05:42,390 --> 00:05:40,560 there maybe or some of the people at 155 00:05:43,350 --> 00:05:42,400 least um we'll know a bit more about 156 00:05:44,710 --> 00:05:43,360 what they're going to be doing 157 00:05:47,029 --> 00:05:44,720 scientifically and who they're going to 158 00:05:49,590 --> 00:05:47,039 be working with and then we get our 159 00:05:51,350 --> 00:05:49,600 first report by halloween 2022 which is 160 00:05:52,870 --> 00:05:51,360 october 31st if you don't celebrate 161 00:05:54,550 --> 00:05:52,880 halloween 162 00:05:57,029 --> 00:05:54,560 so they are going to be doing a whole 163 00:05:59,510 --> 00:05:57,039 bunch of things the standouts for me 164 00:06:01,590 --> 00:05:59,520 are the one this is a four year fully 165 00:06:04,950 --> 00:06:01,600 funded office so we've got this until 166 00:06:06,550 --> 00:06:04,960 halloween 2026 now so if you're a little 167 00:06:08,870 --> 00:06:06,560 exhausted by this whole thing over the 168 00:06:10,390 --> 00:06:08,880 past few months um take a break have 169 00:06:12,230 --> 00:06:10,400 some champagne for your feet up you've 170 00:06:15,350 --> 00:06:12,240 earned it um but there's going to be a 171 00:06:16,950 --> 00:06:15,360 lot of work ahead um 172 00:06:19,110 --> 00:06:16,960 it's going to be record sorry 173 00:06:21,510 --> 00:06:19,120 coordinating with the faa nasa homeland 174 00:06:23,670 --> 00:06:21,520 security the n-o-a-s-a 175 00:06:25,830 --> 00:06:23,680 uh the department of energy as well who 176 00:06:27,670 --> 00:06:25,840 we know is kind of a potentially a big 177 00:06:29,990 --> 00:06:27,680 player in the history of uh keeping this 178 00:06:33,270 --> 00:06:30,000 secret um it's gonna standardize 179 00:06:35,029 --> 00:06:33,280 reporting recording syncing data um but 180 00:06:38,790 --> 00:06:35,039 importantly they're going to be studying 181 00:06:40,550 --> 00:06:38,800 adverse physiological effects as well so 182 00:06:42,550 --> 00:06:40,560 when no longer 183 00:06:45,350 --> 00:06:42,560 at no point during this study they're 184 00:06:46,469 --> 00:06:45,360 going to be asking are uap real that's a 185 00:06:48,469 --> 00:06:46,479 done deal 186 00:06:50,710 --> 00:06:48,479 we established that already now we're 187 00:06:53,350 --> 00:06:50,720 talking about intent we're talking about 188 00:06:54,950 --> 00:06:53,360 capturing and exploiting the technology 189 00:06:56,870 --> 00:06:54,960 we're talking about the effects it had 190 00:06:58,469 --> 00:06:56,880 on our bodies when we get too close if 191 00:07:00,150 --> 00:06:58,479 it's electromagnetic radiation or 192 00:07:01,029 --> 00:07:00,160 whatever it is 193 00:07:04,710 --> 00:07:01,039 um 194 00:07:06,870 --> 00:07:04,720 so this for me is very much kind of 195 00:07:09,510 --> 00:07:06,880 you know it's open season all of these 196 00:07:11,909 --> 00:07:09,520 efforts like uapx ufo data you know 197 00:07:12,870 --> 00:07:11,919 studying the phenomena skin walker ranch 198 00:07:15,430 --> 00:07:12,880 um 199 00:07:17,189 --> 00:07:15,440 the galileo project all of these have 200 00:07:18,469 --> 00:07:17,199 just been given the thumbs up by the us 201 00:07:21,430 --> 00:07:18,479 government 202 00:07:22,710 --> 00:07:21,440 and that's insane so if you know a 203 00:07:24,390 --> 00:07:22,720 little project out there that's trying 204 00:07:26,390 --> 00:07:24,400 to get off the ground or you know of an 205 00:07:28,629 --> 00:07:26,400 area in the eu that has like stories of 206 00:07:30,150 --> 00:07:28,639 these spooky lights there has never been 207 00:07:32,070 --> 00:07:30,160 a better time for you to buy a couple of 208 00:07:33,830 --> 00:07:32,080 gadgets on amazon and go tackle it and 209 00:07:35,350 --> 00:07:33,840 figure out if it's mosaic because we 210 00:07:36,950 --> 00:07:35,360 need to start checking these off it's 211 00:07:38,629 --> 00:07:36,960 time to do the work 212 00:07:40,870 --> 00:07:38,639 that that is right and i'm glad you said 213 00:07:43,110 --> 00:07:40,880 that last night uh we'd done the live 214 00:07:45,350 --> 00:07:43,120 raffle draw and lou joined as luella 215 00:07:47,350 --> 00:07:45,360 elizondo for the second half of the show 216 00:07:49,430 --> 00:07:47,360 and and he said himself something that 217 00:07:51,589 --> 00:07:49,440 we've both said previously 218 00:07:53,749 --> 00:07:51,599 the hard work starts now it's it's a 219 00:07:55,670 --> 00:07:53,759 time to go yep great well done but i 220 00:07:58,230 --> 00:07:55,680 suppose this is a bit like a footballer 221 00:07:59,830 --> 00:07:58,240 soccer team playing like a league season 222 00:08:01,270 --> 00:07:59,840 you've won a game you've won an 223 00:08:02,710 --> 00:08:01,280 important game but you've not won the 224 00:08:04,950 --> 00:08:02,720 league yet and you have to keep going 225 00:08:06,070 --> 00:08:04,960 and if you dwell on this too much 226 00:08:09,110 --> 00:08:06,080 then 227 00:08:10,710 --> 00:08:09,120 it could fall flat on its face um and as 228 00:08:12,230 --> 00:08:10,720 very much the hard work starts now you 229 00:08:14,550 --> 00:08:12,240 have to and this is something i tend to 230 00:08:16,790 --> 00:08:14,560 do in life is i don't dwell on kind of 231 00:08:18,869 --> 00:08:16,800 successes it's yep great let's move on 232 00:08:20,790 --> 00:08:18,879 what's what's next let's keep going 233 00:08:21,670 --> 00:08:20,800 because 234 00:08:24,790 --> 00:08:21,680 this 235 00:08:26,230 --> 00:08:24,800 and 236 00:08:28,309 --> 00:08:26,240 people that say we've been here before 237 00:08:30,710 --> 00:08:28,319 maybe not exactly here but there's been 238 00:08:33,990 --> 00:08:30,720 progress to extents before and i think 239 00:08:35,430 --> 00:08:34,000 it's important that it keeps going um 240 00:08:36,870 --> 00:08:35,440 i've got a few questions down off the 241 00:08:38,630 --> 00:08:36,880 back of some of the stuff you've just 242 00:08:40,709 --> 00:08:38,640 said and things i've been thinking about 243 00:08:42,870 --> 00:08:40,719 and sure i was going to talk about what 244 00:08:43,750 --> 00:08:42,880 we can expect in the report but i'll ask 245 00:08:46,389 --> 00:08:43,760 them yes 246 00:08:48,230 --> 00:08:46,399 i'll come to that yeah so march 27th 247 00:08:49,350 --> 00:08:48,240 you've said we might know who is 248 00:08:51,190 --> 00:08:49,360 involved 249 00:08:53,269 --> 00:08:51,200 is there a chance that you think we 250 00:08:56,070 --> 00:08:53,279 could lose people like 251 00:08:58,790 --> 00:08:56,080 zondo chris mellon or others 252 00:08:59,670 --> 00:08:58,800 to this office or do you see the office 253 00:09:05,990 --> 00:08:59,680 being 254 00:09:08,150 --> 00:09:06,000 really know in terms of of ufos uaps 255 00:09:09,269 --> 00:09:08,160 there's going to be a lot of you know 256 00:09:11,110 --> 00:09:09,279 officials 257 00:09:12,870 --> 00:09:11,120 doing this thing that we do not know and 258 00:09:15,110 --> 00:09:12,880 we may never know you know it might take 259 00:09:17,030 --> 00:09:15,120 someone else down the road when efforts 260 00:09:19,350 --> 00:09:17,040 kind of get stonewalled 261 00:09:21,110 --> 00:09:19,360 resigning and doing doing you know what 262 00:09:24,150 --> 00:09:21,120 lou has done and kind of guiding the 263 00:09:26,310 --> 00:09:24,160 rest of us to the water so to speak but 264 00:09:30,310 --> 00:09:26,320 i think well i hope there will be some 265 00:09:31,829 --> 00:09:30,320 familiar faces there for us just because 266 00:09:33,430 --> 00:09:31,839 there are some trustworthy faces you 267 00:09:34,310 --> 00:09:33,440 know for me 268 00:09:39,750 --> 00:09:34,320 i 269 00:09:42,070 --> 00:09:39,760 alexander 270 00:09:44,790 --> 00:09:42,080 um i also think he's extremely well 271 00:09:46,230 --> 00:09:44,800 equipped to be put in an office that 272 00:09:49,990 --> 00:09:46,240 studies this thing because there's a 273 00:09:52,310 --> 00:09:50,000 history to it you know so it would be a 274 00:09:54,550 --> 00:09:52,320 bit of sweet i think for me does does 275 00:09:56,630 --> 00:09:54,560 lou's situation with uh inspector 276 00:09:59,110 --> 00:09:56,640 general and all that that's going on in 277 00:10:01,030 --> 00:09:59,120 the background affect us in terms of 278 00:10:03,269 --> 00:10:01,040 they maybe wouldn't want to get low back 279 00:10:06,389 --> 00:10:03,279 involved in that sense is that something 280 00:10:08,870 --> 00:10:06,399 you even you you have a opinion on 281 00:10:10,310 --> 00:10:08,880 yeah i mean the the way that all the 282 00:10:12,470 --> 00:10:10,320 officers are set up the inspector 283 00:10:13,590 --> 00:10:12,480 general is a completely separate thing 284 00:10:14,949 --> 00:10:13,600 so 285 00:10:17,190 --> 00:10:14,959 you know there would be rules kind of 286 00:10:18,949 --> 00:10:17,200 saying that no investigation can infect 287 00:10:21,590 --> 00:10:18,959 kind of affect someone's career and 288 00:10:23,750 --> 00:10:21,600 stuff like that um so there will be a 289 00:10:26,790 --> 00:10:23,760 fairness there that wouldn't be the case 290 00:10:28,389 --> 00:10:26,800 if this can you remember when aoi msg 291 00:10:30,230 --> 00:10:28,399 was launched and we were all just a bit 292 00:10:32,630 --> 00:10:30,240 disappointed and we were trying to 293 00:10:34,310 --> 00:10:32,640 communicate why and and lou explained it 294 00:10:36,069 --> 00:10:34,320 really well he kind of said the umbrella 295 00:10:38,710 --> 00:10:36,079 that that office sits under isn't really 296 00:10:40,490 --> 00:10:38,720 an investigative umbrella it's just 297 00:10:41,750 --> 00:10:40,500 you know it's it's there um 298 00:10:42,710 --> 00:10:41,760 [Music] 299 00:10:45,030 --> 00:10:42,720 well 300 00:10:46,790 --> 00:10:45,040 this this sits above that umbrella 301 00:10:48,069 --> 00:10:46,800 basically so 302 00:10:49,829 --> 00:10:48,079 there's no 303 00:10:51,829 --> 00:10:49,839 chance that anyone in the pentagon can 304 00:10:53,990 --> 00:10:51,839 go ah you know susan goff for example 305 00:10:55,110 --> 00:10:54,000 can say uh louis lozando i don't really 306 00:10:57,190 --> 00:10:55,120 like him for personal reasons or 307 00:10:59,590 --> 00:10:57,200 whatever keep him from the office 308 00:11:02,230 --> 00:10:59,600 if he's qualified he will be qualified 309 00:11:03,269 --> 00:11:02,240 on on his merits alone um and and you 310 00:11:05,110 --> 00:11:03,279 know 311 00:11:06,470 --> 00:11:05,120 he is they won't play into it they're 312 00:11:08,230 --> 00:11:06,480 the people there are professionals 313 00:11:10,790 --> 00:11:08,240 that's their job okay you mentioned 314 00:11:13,670 --> 00:11:10,800 we've got this till 2026. 315 00:11:16,069 --> 00:11:13,680 what happens if president biden leaves 316 00:11:17,350 --> 00:11:16,079 office before then for whatever reason 317 00:11:19,190 --> 00:11:17,360 and we don't need to go into all of 318 00:11:21,350 --> 00:11:19,200 those but you know he's he's not a young 319 00:11:23,509 --> 00:11:21,360 guy um there was always rumors that he 320 00:11:25,910 --> 00:11:23,519 would come in and kamala harris although 321 00:11:27,430 --> 00:11:25,920 again i'm not huge on u.s politics but i 322 00:11:28,870 --> 00:11:27,440 hear her approval ratings aren't as 323 00:11:30,710 --> 00:11:28,880 strong as they were and all that kind of 324 00:11:33,110 --> 00:11:30,720 stuff but for whatever reason 325 00:11:34,470 --> 00:11:33,120 if biden leaves office can that affect 326 00:11:37,910 --> 00:11:34,480 us 327 00:11:39,269 --> 00:11:37,920 know we we've all learned 328 00:11:41,269 --> 00:11:39,279 all around the world over the past few 329 00:11:44,389 --> 00:11:41,279 years that things can be done and they 330 00:11:46,069 --> 00:11:44,399 can be undone by the presidents um 331 00:11:49,190 --> 00:11:46,079 the amazing thing about this issue is 332 00:11:52,069 --> 00:11:49,200 how bipartisan it's been so i really 333 00:11:53,590 --> 00:11:52,079 don't see anyone coming in who's gonna 334 00:11:57,670 --> 00:11:53,600 you know start complaining about wasted 335 00:11:59,829 --> 00:11:57,680 money for a long while yet um and and 336 00:12:02,710 --> 00:11:59,839 like i said we've established it's real 337 00:12:05,910 --> 00:12:02,720 so it's just discussing whether it's 338 00:12:07,829 --> 00:12:05,920 worth studying now um so yeah i think 339 00:12:09,750 --> 00:12:07,839 it'll carry on it's just a case of how 340 00:12:10,870 --> 00:12:09,760 much funding it's given you know okay 341 00:12:15,190 --> 00:12:10,880 and now i'm going to play devil's 342 00:12:16,310 --> 00:12:15,200 advocate and try and take off my ufo fan 343 00:12:18,389 --> 00:12:16,320 here 344 00:12:19,750 --> 00:12:18,399 is it fair to say 345 00:12:22,069 --> 00:12:19,760 that and i'm trying to represent 346 00:12:25,430 --> 00:12:22,079 everyone who can listen to this or does 347 00:12:28,069 --> 00:12:25,440 that a lot of the support for this bill 348 00:12:29,590 --> 00:12:28,079 could come from or has come from 349 00:12:31,670 --> 00:12:29,600 from people who 350 00:12:34,470 --> 00:12:31,680 look at this as 351 00:12:36,710 --> 00:12:34,480 rather than 80 or whatever that might be 352 00:12:39,910 --> 00:12:36,720 non-human technology there's a good 353 00:12:42,949 --> 00:12:39,920 chance some or a lot of it is still 354 00:12:45,030 --> 00:12:42,959 adversarial technology and while 355 00:12:46,150 --> 00:12:45,040 people like chris mellon can i poop that 356 00:12:48,069 --> 00:12:46,160 a little bit 357 00:12:49,750 --> 00:12:48,079 and and for me 358 00:12:51,350 --> 00:12:49,760 i mean all the respect in the world to 359 00:12:52,550 --> 00:12:51,360 christopher melon i would love to ask 360 00:12:55,110 --> 00:12:52,560 him about this because i don't think 361 00:12:57,110 --> 00:12:55,120 i've seen him discuss it he commented 362 00:12:59,509 --> 00:12:57,120 that one of the chinese rockets had 363 00:13:02,069 --> 00:12:59,519 fallen on a rural farm road and that 364 00:13:04,310 --> 00:13:02,079 they were so far behind us technology 365 00:13:06,629 --> 00:13:04,320 but then within weeks of that article 366 00:13:08,470 --> 00:13:06,639 and china's rocket falling out the sky 367 00:13:10,230 --> 00:13:08,480 we find out they've tested a hypersonic 368 00:13:12,470 --> 00:13:10,240 missile that's flew around the earth 369 00:13:14,870 --> 00:13:12,480 that apparently the us had no idea they 370 00:13:17,829 --> 00:13:14,880 had that technology 371 00:13:19,190 --> 00:13:17,839 so for me that was quite a disparaging 372 00:13:20,870 --> 00:13:19,200 you know gap 373 00:13:22,870 --> 00:13:20,880 and and what they thought they knew and 374 00:13:25,030 --> 00:13:22,880 what china actually had 375 00:13:27,350 --> 00:13:25,040 part of it i think is to do with how the 376 00:13:29,110 --> 00:13:27,360 media communicates stories you know i'm 377 00:13:31,190 --> 00:13:29,120 sure in china there are articles about 378 00:13:32,629 --> 00:13:31,200 the spacex spaceships not even getting 379 00:13:34,150 --> 00:13:32,639 off the ground and exploding i mean like 380 00:13:35,750 --> 00:13:34,160 oh look how terrible the technology is 381 00:13:38,150 --> 00:13:35,760 but we all know tests fail that's how 382 00:13:40,949 --> 00:13:38,160 you make the good thing um so so i think 383 00:13:42,710 --> 00:13:40,959 that's what we're seeing there but 384 00:13:45,350 --> 00:13:42,720 and i think i think yeah i've addressed 385 00:13:47,189 --> 00:13:45,360 this before but i i think with the drone 386 00:13:48,389 --> 00:13:47,199 argument and the adversarial technology 387 00:13:50,069 --> 00:13:48,399 argument 388 00:13:52,389 --> 00:13:50,079 all of this stuff exists in the same 389 00:13:55,030 --> 00:13:52,399 data pile and there's almost like an 390 00:13:57,030 --> 00:13:55,040 inkling inside me that thinks that 391 00:13:59,030 --> 00:13:57,040 this is happening now because 392 00:14:00,949 --> 00:13:59,040 the adversarial technology thing is 393 00:14:02,310 --> 00:14:00,959 happening now you need to tackle both at 394 00:14:04,550 --> 00:14:02,320 the same time because they exist in the 395 00:14:05,990 --> 00:14:04,560 same areas and they both exist in that 396 00:14:08,230 --> 00:14:06,000 you know the niche that you're not 397 00:14:10,710 --> 00:14:08,240 really addressing um 398 00:14:12,629 --> 00:14:10,720 but to keep them there their offices are 399 00:14:14,949 --> 00:14:12,639 safe and all their crew and personnel 400 00:14:16,790 --> 00:14:14,959 safe they need to address both so 401 00:14:19,910 --> 00:14:16,800 there's no worry of this becoming just a 402 00:14:21,750 --> 00:14:19,920 drone thing you know we we have the 403 00:14:23,030 --> 00:14:21,760 or rather i should say i don't know if 404 00:14:25,509 --> 00:14:23,040 we're going to have the buckets like we 405 00:14:27,829 --> 00:14:25,519 did with the ua ptf uh for the 406 00:14:29,910 --> 00:14:27,839 prosaic stuff and the other bucket um 407 00:14:32,150 --> 00:14:29,920 but i imagine there would be a kind of a 408 00:14:35,430 --> 00:14:32,160 sense of a working tree to work through 409 00:14:38,230 --> 00:14:35,440 like that when studying cases um 410 00:14:40,949 --> 00:14:38,240 so the adversarial tech is one of those 411 00:14:42,629 --> 00:14:40,959 five buckets um and there's like weather 412 00:14:44,790 --> 00:14:42,639 phenomenon and 413 00:14:47,590 --> 00:14:44,800 us secret tech and things like that but 414 00:14:49,590 --> 00:14:47,600 that other category exists for a reason 415 00:14:51,269 --> 00:14:49,600 um and like i said before i think it's 416 00:14:53,110 --> 00:14:51,279 kind of named in a tongue-in-cheek way 417 00:14:54,550 --> 00:14:53,120 the others and all that yeah i would 418 00:14:56,389 --> 00:14:54,560 think so and you know what i think it's 419 00:14:58,310 --> 00:14:56,399 a good thing and you're right about 420 00:15:00,150 --> 00:14:58,320 the drone technology has probably helped 421 00:15:02,150 --> 00:15:00,160 us come along and without the 422 00:15:03,110 --> 00:15:02,160 advancements in drone technology like 423 00:15:05,269 --> 00:15:03,120 and i'm not even talking about 424 00:15:07,189 --> 00:15:05,279 commercially obviously i'm talking about 425 00:15:08,790 --> 00:15:07,199 military industrial complex what they 426 00:15:11,189 --> 00:15:08,800 they have is probably 427 00:15:12,949 --> 00:15:11,199 mind-blowing stuff and some of it 428 00:15:15,670 --> 00:15:12,959 probably is pretty close to what we 429 00:15:17,829 --> 00:15:15,680 would look at as exotic technology um 430 00:15:19,590 --> 00:15:17,839 and what it can and can do um so it's 431 00:15:21,670 --> 00:15:19,600 probably been a really good thing 432 00:15:22,790 --> 00:15:21,680 in terms of helping this office come 433 00:15:26,790 --> 00:15:22,800 into 434 00:15:29,430 --> 00:15:26,800 maybe some of these events like the 435 00:15:31,990 --> 00:15:29,440 omaha the russell whatever 436 00:15:34,069 --> 00:15:32,000 you know nimitz princeton 437 00:15:36,389 --> 00:15:34,079 other ships that we've not even heard of 438 00:15:38,790 --> 00:15:36,399 have these drone incursions 439 00:15:40,949 --> 00:15:38,800 where the tech is totally 440 00:15:41,990 --> 00:15:40,959 so incredible that they don't know what 441 00:15:45,269 --> 00:15:42,000 it is 442 00:15:47,829 --> 00:15:45,279 but like you say in those investigations 443 00:15:50,629 --> 00:15:47,839 of 144 cases they find out one was a 444 00:15:52,710 --> 00:15:50,639 balloon they found out 50 or 60 of those 445 00:15:55,350 --> 00:15:52,720 yep we have to investigate these or they 446 00:15:58,150 --> 00:15:55,360 were drones from russia china whatever 447 00:15:59,030 --> 00:15:58,160 but we still have this as you say other 448 00:15:59,829 --> 00:15:59,040 pile 449 00:16:01,829 --> 00:15:59,839 that 450 00:16:04,389 --> 00:16:01,839 we don't think these are drones because 451 00:16:06,150 --> 00:16:04,399 it done this and it done this and 452 00:16:08,470 --> 00:16:06,160 the pilot saw it up close and it didn't 453 00:16:09,910 --> 00:16:08,480 look like that other one so that's 454 00:16:11,350 --> 00:16:09,920 that's the kind of interesting stuff i 455 00:16:13,749 --> 00:16:11,360 suppose that we look for in that other 456 00:16:15,430 --> 00:16:13,759 category is definitely yeah exactly they 457 00:16:17,350 --> 00:16:15,440 want to keep the eye on me 458 00:16:18,949 --> 00:16:17,360 i i think we'll probably get the first 459 00:16:20,629 --> 00:16:18,959 report and um 460 00:16:23,269 --> 00:16:20,639 people will just kind of be like oh you 461 00:16:25,590 --> 00:16:23,279 know 30 pages of it about drones 462 00:16:27,910 --> 00:16:25,600 the rest of it is what we want um but 463 00:16:29,670 --> 00:16:27,920 like i say it's all in the same place um 464 00:16:31,910 --> 00:16:29,680 so so it's super important to go through 465 00:16:33,430 --> 00:16:31,920 and to filter all of it i think i said 466 00:16:36,870 --> 00:16:33,440 to you anyway dan and i've said to a few 467 00:16:38,069 --> 00:16:36,880 people like if if and when some of this 468 00:16:40,550 --> 00:16:38,079 technology 469 00:16:43,030 --> 00:16:40,560 comes out our drones 470 00:16:45,350 --> 00:16:43,040 then there's that's fascinating still to 471 00:16:47,350 --> 00:16:45,360 me that you know where did they learn to 472 00:16:49,509 --> 00:16:47,360 do this and how can they go this speed 473 00:16:51,509 --> 00:16:49,519 and how can they now do this and 474 00:16:52,870 --> 00:16:51,519 where do these things batteries if they 475 00:16:55,509 --> 00:16:52,880 run on batteries or you know if it's 476 00:16:57,110 --> 00:16:55,519 fuel how does that work because 477 00:16:58,949 --> 00:16:57,120 there seems to be really game-changing 478 00:17:01,670 --> 00:16:58,959 technology and some of this stuff so 479 00:17:03,269 --> 00:17:01,680 even if it is russian chinese us 480 00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:03,279 there's a lot of wow factors still in 481 00:17:06,230 --> 00:17:04,400 that for me 482 00:17:08,309 --> 00:17:06,240 totally aside from 483 00:17:10,470 --> 00:17:08,319 but what about the the exotic the the 484 00:17:13,110 --> 00:17:10,480 non-human stuff which we're pretty sure 485 00:17:15,750 --> 00:17:13,120 is part of it as well so um 486 00:17:17,669 --> 00:17:15,760 dan social media um early reactions it 487 00:17:20,470 --> 00:17:17,679 seems to be it's been a huge one doesn't 488 00:17:22,309 --> 00:17:20,480 it people are are pretty happy with uh 489 00:17:23,990 --> 00:17:22,319 with the results here 490 00:17:25,110 --> 00:17:24,000 yeah yeah absolutely this is another one 491 00:17:27,270 --> 00:17:25,120 of those things like the james webb 492 00:17:28,710 --> 00:17:27,280 telescope and the awesome raffle we did 493 00:17:31,430 --> 00:17:28,720 just no one's gonna bring us down on 494 00:17:33,029 --> 00:17:31,440 this this is fantastic just 495 00:17:34,870 --> 00:17:33,039 if if we wouldn't get slapped with 496 00:17:36,390 --> 00:17:34,880 copyright i would play cool in the gang 497 00:17:37,750 --> 00:17:36,400 celebration right now 498 00:17:39,270 --> 00:17:37,760 yeah i was going to say i could probably 499 00:17:40,549 --> 00:17:39,280 do it on the way out but uh yeah that 500 00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:40,559 would absolutely get slammed for 501 00:17:45,190 --> 00:17:43,440 copyright um but yeah i i 502 00:17:47,909 --> 00:17:45,200 i was just going to say before you know 503 00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:47,919 and we start wrapping um 504 00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:49,760 the the main things to remember that are 505 00:17:53,830 --> 00:17:51,280 going to be in the report like we're 506 00:17:55,270 --> 00:17:53,840 going to have an unclassified section to 507 00:17:57,590 --> 00:17:55,280 those reports 508 00:17:59,510 --> 00:17:57,600 the people who aren't sharing data are 509 00:18:01,510 --> 00:17:59,520 going to be named and shamed in it so if 510 00:18:03,190 --> 00:18:01,520 the air force doesn't play ball they're 511 00:18:04,390 --> 00:18:03,200 finally going to be held to account and 512 00:18:05,430 --> 00:18:04,400 everyone's going to know that that's 513 00:18:07,029 --> 00:18:05,440 what they're doing they're putting 514 00:18:10,630 --> 00:18:07,039 people at risk 515 00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:10,640 the uap task force or aoi ms oh sorry 516 00:18:16,310 --> 00:18:14,080 yeah the uap task force here um it says 517 00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:16,320 that it will be terminated so i guess 518 00:18:19,270 --> 00:18:18,400 farewell long live uh 519 00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:19,280 that 520 00:18:26,830 --> 00:18:24,310 and then those reports cover any events 521 00:18:28,950 --> 00:18:26,840 that haven't been mentioned before 522 00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:28,960 including um there's a whole section 523 00:18:33,909 --> 00:18:31,200 where they talk about cooperating with 524 00:18:35,510 --> 00:18:33,919 allies so i imagine there's going to be 525 00:18:37,350 --> 00:18:35,520 quite a few global events in one of 526 00:18:39,510 --> 00:18:37,360 those reports and the the first report 527 00:18:41,350 --> 00:18:39,520 is hopefully thick 528 00:18:43,669 --> 00:18:41,360 yeah we're two things just to wrap up we 529 00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:43,679 have to give connor o'brien a shout out 530 00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:45,600 he is a defense reporter covering 531 00:18:50,070 --> 00:18:48,080 congress for politico and he broke the 532 00:18:51,190 --> 00:18:50,080 news that the the act had been signed 533 00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:51,200 and i think that's what a lot of people 534 00:18:56,230 --> 00:18:53,760 are seeing being retweeted on on social 535 00:18:58,549 --> 00:18:56,240 so awesome thank you corner that's right 536 00:19:00,950 --> 00:18:58,559 we do have a nice yahoo news article 537 00:19:02,390 --> 00:19:00,960 with it as well now so nice to see and 538 00:19:03,830 --> 00:19:02,400 we should see those flooding in as well 539 00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:03,840 shouldn't we in a bit more coverage on 540 00:19:08,390 --> 00:19:06,080 the on the news and stuff and if people 541 00:19:10,070 --> 00:19:08,400 haven't yet listened to it um because it 542 00:19:12,070 --> 00:19:10,080 was a little bit of a different show the 543 00:19:14,150 --> 00:19:12,080 the raffle announcements we did have 544 00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:14,160 louis elizondo on the second half hour 545 00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:16,320 of that which was great and we did talk 546 00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:18,240 a little bit ufos on there and he gave 547 00:19:21,590 --> 00:19:19,679 some interesting opinions on what was 548 00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:21,600 going to come up and i asked him the 549 00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:23,039 question of 550 00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:24,400 and i thought he would give the answer 551 00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:26,320 about the you know the amendment of what 552 00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:28,400 was his highlight of 2021 and he didn't 553 00:19:32,310 --> 00:19:30,240 say that yeah so that was that was 554 00:19:33,669 --> 00:19:32,320 interesting um so yeah people should go 555 00:19:35,669 --> 00:19:33,679 and check that out as well but it's a 556 00:19:37,830 --> 00:19:35,679 good news it's a good way to kind of end 557 00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:37,840 off the year there's still at least one 558 00:19:41,190 --> 00:19:39,360 more show to come from us before new 559 00:19:43,830 --> 00:19:41,200 year talking about the highlights of 560 00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:43,840 2021 people have sent in a load of those 561 00:19:48,150 --> 00:19:46,000 for us to talk through as well and uh 562 00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:48,160 yeah we'll just kick on from there but 563 00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:51,120 dan good way in 2021 564 00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:53,280 yeah amazing um you know i'm so proud of 565 00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:54,640 the community for the raffle i'm proud 566 00:19:58,630 --> 00:19:56,400 of everyone that contributed to getting 567 00:20:00,549 --> 00:19:58,640 this bill done and through even you know 568 00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:00,559 the newcomers who may not be stooped in 569 00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:03,840 ufo law but i think we all we we get one 570 00:20:08,149 --> 00:20:06,480 shot to do this properly and it looks to 571 00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:08,159 me like that's the thing we're getting 572 00:20:13,029 --> 00:20:10,480 so uh congratulations everyone keep your 573 00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:13,039 eyes on you know the news and and 574 00:20:15,990 --> 00:20:14,799 hopefully some of the senators will 575 00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:16,000 start speaking up soon and we'll hear 576 00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:17,679 some more especially you know the name i 577 00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:18,880 want to know what it's called i need to 578 00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:20,799 make a patch yeah maybe send in some 579 00:20:24,149 --> 00:20:22,480 guesses for that one as well but yeah 580 00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:24,159 awesome thank you folks for listening 581 00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:26,240 and we'll speak to you soon that is all 582 00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:28,240 for this week's show thank you very much 583 00:20:32,310 --> 00:20:30,240 for listening please remember to leave 584 00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:32,320 the podcast to review on your chosen 585 00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:35,120 platform you can like retweet and 586 00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:36,880 subscribe that would all be very much 587 00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:39,039 appreciated the shows are being 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00:22:02,470 --> 00:22:00,480 everything was weird and everything was 603 00:22:06,940 --> 00:22:02,480 red i helped my boys they thought this 604 00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:26,210 [Music] 605 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:45,280 consider your space consider your lies 606 00:23:54,950 --> 00:22:58,460 [Music] 607 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:59,900 thank you